Hashish, weed, marijuana, pot. It goes by a number of names, however everyone knows what it smells like. As weed turns into extra mainstream, we on the Not Loopy podcast wish to know: Is marijuana actually an efficient remedy for anxiousness? Is it only a coping mechanism? Or a vice? In at this time’s podcast, Gabe and Jackie have a look at the analysis and weigh out the proof. In addition they interview Eileen Davidson, a rheumatoid arthritis affected person who usually makes use of marijuana as a medication to see what she has to say.
What’s your take? Tune in for an open-minded dialogue about weed.
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Gabe Howard is an award-winning author and speaker who lives with bipolar dysfunction. He’s the creator of the favored ebook, Psychological Sickness is an Asshole and different Observations, obtainable from Amazon; signed copies are additionally obtainable instantly from Gabe Howard. To study extra, please go to his web site, gabehoward.com.
Jackie Zimmerman has been within the affected person advocacy sport for over a decade and has established herself as an authority on continual sickness, patient-centric healthcare, and affected person group constructing. She lives with a number of sclerosis, ulcerative colitis, and melancholy.
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Announcer: You’re listening to Not Loopy, a Psych Central podcast. And listed below are your hosts, Jackie Zimmerman and Gabe Howard.
Gabe: Welcome to this week’s episode of the Not Loopy Podcast. I’d prefer to introduce my co-host, Jackie.
Jackie: And that man is my co-host, Gabe.
Gabe: And at this time we’re going to be speaking about. I’m not even positive what to name it. It’s been often called marijuana. It’s been often called hashish. It’s been often called wacky tobaccy, if you happen to return to love my grandparents. I assume pot is the road identify now.
Jackie: You sound like so, Grandpa Gabe, proper now. You’re like, what are the youngsters calling it as of late?
Gabe: Properly, simply
Jackie: It’s weed, Gabe. We’re speaking about weed.
Gabe: However I imply, it was grass. It has had a prolific variety of slang names. I imply, sincerely. Proper?
Jackie: Sure, that’s true.
Gabe: And I went to a dispensary the opposite day and I used to be like, hey, I’m right here to purchase pot they usually’re like hashish, sir? And I used to be like, nicely, weed. And so they’re like, marijuana, sir? So I feel that there’s some try to make a demarcation between slang phrases of marijuana and non-slang phrases of marijuana. Is that what you’re seeing out on the planet, Jackie?
Jackie: I feel it is dependent upon the place you’re acquiring stated marijuana, proper? If you happen to’re buying it from a retailer, they’re like, sure, we promote marijuana right here. If you happen to’re going to the nook, you’re most likely going to purchase some weed. I feel it simply is dependent upon the place you’re getting it. Identical stuff, completely different identify.
Gabe: And this isn’t uncommon, particularly in America. Language is at all times evolving and completely different generations have completely different phrases for various issues. Keep in mind when sick meant such as you had been sick and funky meant you had been a foul ass? Now sick implies that you’re a foul ass. And if you happen to say cool, children simply have a look at you such as you’re simply, you’re simply silly.
Jackie: Which is like how I’m taking a look at you proper now, as a result of the extra you speak simply the older you sound. Low key, you sound like an actual previous man proper now.
Gabe: I like how you utilize low key, one other slang time period that I’m not acquainted with. However transferring on to the subject at hand, marijuana is all over the place and relying on what Web website you’re on. Marijuana is both the magical treatment for all the pieces, actually, it doesn’t matter what downside you could have bodily or mentally, it may possibly completely, unequivocally treatment it. Or marijuana is satanic. If you happen to even stroll previous it, you’ll homicide your complete household. You received’t go to varsity and your eyes will inexplicably flip purple. And our analysis, Jackie, in fact, confirmed that the reality lies someplace within the center.
Jackie: Because it does with most issues, however what we’re specializing in at this time particularly is the usage of marijuana, weed, pot, grass, reefer, no matter you wish to name it by way of treating anxiousness. And I’m actually excited to speak about this as a result of that is one thing that’s like polarizing. Folks both thinks it’s like the tip all be all, cures anxiousness or they’re like, it doesn’t assist in any respect. And it’s best to positively not use it for anxiousness.
Gabe: One of many issues that I take into consideration is my Weight-reduction plan Coke behavior, I’m gonna go together with behavior for the sake of at this time’s present. I’ve an anxiousness dysfunction. I undergo from numerous anxiousness. And after I get actually twitchy and out of kinds and I’m simply actually stressed, fearful, panic. You understand, the racing ideas begin to are available in after I’m on the verge of an anxiousness assault. I cease all the pieces that I’m doing. I discover a fountain machine of Weight-reduction plan Coke, which often includes going someplace, taking a stroll someplace, getting in my automobile. There’s a complete ritual surrounding me getting a Weight-reduction plan Coke. And I can state unequivocally that after I do that ritual and I’m sitting within the nook and I’m ingesting my fountain Weight-reduction plan Coke, my anxiousness is relieved 100%. This doesn’t make Weight-reduction plan Coke a treatment or a remedy for anxiousness. And I feel that that could be a few of what’s taking place with marijuana, as a result of no medical research exhibits that it’s a remedy for anxiousness. And once more, medical research are ongoing. However as of proper now, there’s nothing that states that anxiousness is cured or handled by marijuana.
Jackie: You’re proper. And a part of me needs to be like, no, you’re incorrect, it completely helps as a result of I feel it really does assist lots of people. The issue is, you recognize, that I like my stats. The stats don’t present this. I really pulled up three completely different research particularly on this subject. One research from 2019 is from The Lancet Psychiatry. It appeared on the results of cannabinoids on psychological well being for practically 40 years of analysis, which is like numerous analysis. And their findings principally stated there was scarce proof to help that hashish helps to enhance psychological well being signs. Forty years of analysis on this one research saying like meh, most likely not that useful. However there was one other research in 2018 in Hashish and Cannabinoid Analysis, which is like, how is there even a journal devoted to this? However there’s. Sixty two % of people that use CBD use it for a medical situation. And the highest three are ache, anxiousness, and melancholy. So my takeaway on that is we don’t have proof within the science that it really works, however we do have proof that individuals are utilizing it for these causes and are discovering profit in it.
Gabe: And in some methods, it is a robust one, proper? As a result of I take into consideration the variety of folks that inform me that I mustn’t take prescription medicines for my bipolar dysfunction as a result of in spite of everything, I simply want weight-reduction plan and train, higher sleep hygiene. I simply we’ve carried out so many exhibits on this. It’s simply it makes my little head wish to explode. However I nonetheless return to the definition of remedy and treatment. And the definition of remedy and treatment will not be I really feel higher after I’m carried out. It really impacts the illness and places you in a greater place if you’re carried out. A number of issues make you are feeling higher. Jackie hugging my spouse makes me really feel higher. Having a powerful help system makes me really feel higher. These items aren’t remedies. They’re inspired. They’re essential. And so they could nicely enable you. However I simply get actually, actually anxious. I simply get actually, actually anxious when individuals are like, oh, I deal with my anxiousness with this as a result of there’s so many causes. However let’s contact base on this for a second. Marijuana on this nation is sort of tousled, one depending on the state that you just reside in, you may really be committing a criminal offense. That’s primary. However in each state in our union, there’s a number of kinds of marijuana. Proper? There’s the great growers. There’s the growers which might be overseen by the federal government within the states the place it’s authorized. After which there’s the individual that’s identical to randomly rising it. And we don’t know what sort of job they did, what sort of a pressure they did, or whether or not or not they doused it in rat poison. And all of this stuff are marijuana to the tip person. That worries me as nicely, as a result of there’s no consistency right here.
Jackie: I’ve numerous emotions about that. Sure. Right. No consistency given the truth that our authorities has not legalized it universally, which implies that it can’t be regulated universally. Even whether it is authorized the place you’re, it robotically means it’s costlier. So you should still be going to a road seller regardless. So the consistency issue is certainly a problem. Nonetheless, biking again for a minute, whereas it isn’t confirmed that it’s an efficient remedy, I feel that judging by 62 % of customers and all people else, together with a 2017 research within the Worldwide Journal of Drug Coverage, the place individuals imagine that hashish is an efficient method to deal with situations instead of prescriptions for anxiousness and melancholy. What this tells me is by way of signs, administration, it may be or it’s efficient relying on who you speak to. So is it treating anxiousness? I don’t know. I don’t have the science, however is it treating the signs of tension? Yeah, it seems to be prefer it does. And are these one in the identical? I don’t assume that they’re. I feel that you could have loads of medicines that deal with the precise underlying downside and many medicines that deal with the signs of the issue.
Gabe: Clearly, I can’t disagree with something that you just simply stated. Nonetheless, there have been comparable research on whether or not or not cigarettes enable you deal with anxiousness. And the truth is that cigarettes have been studied for a protracted, very long time. And the analysis exhibits unequivocally that cigarette smoking really doesn’t assist with anxiousness. Nonetheless, after they requested individuals if it helps them, they stated sure. You line up the entire people who smoke and also you say, Hey, does smoking relieve anxiousness? They’re all going to say, sure. The science could be very clear that in truth it will increase anxiousness, however they imagine that it’s useful. That is the issue with self-reporting, proper. Lots of people imagine that issues which might be harmful for them or are actively hurting them are, in truth, useful.
Jackie: I don’t know. I really feel like there’s some facet of placebo on this. The place, sure, the stats from the scientists are saying this really causes anxiousness and the people who find themselves utilizing it are saying, no, I really feel higher after doing it. So who’s proper? I don’t assume there’s is definitely a proper and incorrect on this, which works towards all the pieces that I usually say as a result of there are science main a method. But when the individual says, I really feel higher after this, doesn’t it imply that it’s good for that individual?
Gabe: Probably, I feel we return to my Weight-reduction plan Coke dependancy. The fact is, is ingesting as a lot Weight-reduction plan Coke as I do may very well be dangerous. I ought to drink far more water and I ought to go for extra walks and I ought to name my mother extra and I ought to inform my spouse I like her extra. Life is private selections. And in relation to the legalization of marijuana, from a political standpoint, I feel it ought to completely be authorized as a result of it’s it’s been discovered to be no extra harmful for you than smoking or alcohol. And actually, in some circumstances, a lot safer. However transferring that apart, to reply the query of any person affected by anxiousness, ought to they use marijuana as a remedy? I’m gonna go together with no. Nonetheless, any person affected by anxiousness, ought to they use marijuana as a coping mechanism? That’s a private selection. And Gabe is there. So I kind of really feel the one-two punch. You must nonetheless get remedy from the medical institution. However all of us have coping abilities. Look, individuals watch Household Man on repeat to get via the day. That’s only a coping mechanism. However please don’t ship me an e mail and inform me that Household Man is the remedy for melancholy as a result of not.
Jackie: I feel the foundation of this entire dialog is we’re simply speaking about vices, proper? Like your vice is Weight-reduction plan Coke. We’re speaking about cigarettes and weed and Household Man. Proper? No matter your vice is. I feel we are able to unequivocally agree that vices assist with stress administration. Proper? That’s why individuals drink, proper? They’re stressed or they’re indignant. They wish to erase the emotions that they’re feeling in that second. That’s why we now have vices. That’s what they do for us. However you’re proper, you possibly can’t say that like the great outweighs the dangerous. And all of these vices proper? You’re consuming a metric shit load of aspartame. Is that good? In all probability not. I don’t know, however it makes you are feeling higher. So, you recognize, are we speaking long-term well being? Are we speaking brief time period? I don’t assume it actually issues. Does marijuana assist with anxiousness? Perhaps it may. I don’t know. I feel it’s so private. And I feel that, once more, we simply don’t have sufficient analysis at this level to say by hook or by crook, as a result of even the research that we’re quoting proper now, they’re all searching for various things. They’re searching for is it efficient? They’re searching for do individuals assume it’s efficient? Are they utilizing it instead of one thing else? There’s no research that basically has touched on all of the bases that we now have but by way of is it efficient for this? Is it efficient for this together with prescribed remedy? We don’t know. So I assume select your individual journey so long as you’re sensible and wholesome and never a dumb dumb.
Gabe: I actually simply wish to hit exhausting on what Jackie stated in regards to the “we don’t know.” There are such a lot of folks that simply imagine that it’s the treatment for all the pieces. And there’s so many individuals that imagine that it’s the most horrible factor. It’s only a pox on our nation. These aren’t the 2 camps that we must be in. We should always proceed the analysis. We should always discover out what is nice and what’s dangerous. I simply wish to be clear that any sort of self-medicating is harmful.
Jackie: Lots of people use this to self-medicate. Self-medicating, we all know is harmful, particularly if you’re not being sincere together with your well being care workforce. So that is a type of issues that, you recognize, if it really works for you, that’s nice. However don’t pressure it on anyone else as a result of we simply don’t have the analysis to again that it’s really efficient.
Gabe: We’ll be proper again after these messages.
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Jackie: And we’re again speaking about utilizing marijuana as a remedy for anxiousness.
Gabe: Jackie, we’ve talked in regards to the stats, we’ve talked in regards to the research, we’ve bantered forwards and backwards. Let’s speak to any person who makes use of marijuana for her anxiousness dysfunction and likewise for rheumatoid arthritis. Are you able to give her an introduction? As a result of she was very candid and really superior. It was nice of her to name in.
Jackie: Sure, positive. We invited our buddy Eileen, who we all know via advocacy, to return on and speak about why she makes use of marijuana to assist together with her anxiousness, but in addition why she makes use of it for her RA. And I feel she’s going to have numerous useful perception on this.
Gabe: And we’re going to roll that interview proper now.
Jackie: We’re right here with our buddy Eileen. Gabe and I do know Eileen exterior in the true world, however we thought she’d be a extremely nice visitor to deliver on the present at this time. So welcome, Eileen.
Eileen Davidson: Hello, my identify is Eileen Davidson and I reside in lovely Vancouver, British Columbia, which has been worldwide recognized for longer than it’s been authorized in Canada to have very, excellent weed.
Gabe: We’re so tremendous excited to have you ever since you are keen to publicly speak about utilizing marijuana or hashish. Why are you so public about utilizing it? As a result of in lots of locations it’s nonetheless a criminal offense. And even the locations the place it’s authorized, it’s nonetheless very a lot appeared down upon. However you’re like, hey, I smoke weed.
Eileen: Properly, as a result of I additionally imagine within the medical part of it. I reside with rheumatoid arthritis and psychological well being points. So to me, it’s very medical. And since I don’t actually drink due to my autoimmune illness, it’s additionally a tiny bit leisure and it’s authorized in Canada.
Jackie: Eileen, are there any particular signs that you just’re utilizing medical marijuana to deal with?
Eileen: Sure. So dwelling with a continual sickness comes with a number of several types of signs, in addition to uncomfortable side effects from the medicines used to deal with these ailments. So, significantly with rheumatoid arthritis, I’ve continual fatigue, constant continual ache in addition to generally nausea. So that’s one more reason why I really do take pleasure in smoking marijuana as a result of it actually tackles the nausea after which additionally helps with the lack of urge for food that I can expertise. After which it additionally helps with not with the ability to sleep due to ache. And it’s helped with a variety of the medicines that I’ve gone via which have triggered vomiting. And so it’s sort of a drug that I don’t use for only one particular factor, however a large number of various issues.
Gabe: I do like that you just’re so open about it.
Eileen: I wasn’t at all times open about it, although. I was really very towards marijuana.
Jackie: Ooh, what modified your thoughts?
Eileen: Debilitating prognosis of rheumatoid arthritis. So I’ve been round it loads earlier than as a result of my earliest reminiscences of it are my father smoking weed whereas doing these artistic, surrealistic work. My dad was sort of a hippie and so like my childhood is principally reminiscences of the odor of oil paints, marijuana and the sound of Pink Floyd taking part in to those loopy work. So, however it was unlawful again then. So I felt very conflicted loads as a result of I used to be like, why are you smoking marijuana when that’s imagined to be a drug, as they’re telling you in class? And so I didn’t actually perceive. I by no means wished to the touch medication my entire life. I’ve by no means touched something apart from espresso, marijuana and alcohol, just a little little bit of wine, however being recognized with one thing that causes extreme ache and having to undergo medicines which have numerous uncomfortable side effects. At the moment, I used to be like, nicely, that is medicinal to me, so I’ll attempt it. And I felt like an fool being towards it earlier than. My prognosis actually opened my eyes to this isn’t actually in the identical line as like heroin or cocaine and issues like that. Although, I by no means tried these. And it was additionally actually serving to individuals. Folks like me who had been in prognosis of most cancers, M.S., Parkinson’s, all kinds of issues. What I didn’t count on is that it might additionally assist with my psychological well being.
Jackie: And did you uncover that simply kind of like happenstance, you had been like, oh, I sort of really feel good all over the place proper now? Or was it extra of one thing that you just really examined? You had been like. I’m feeling actually anxious. Let’s see if this helps right here.
Eileen: I’d say it first began off with me noticing that it did impact my psychological well being. Once I first began smoking weed, I didn’t find out about THC, CBD and the way it might sort of work together with me. So I’d attempt one thing, not know what sort of pressure it’s after which sort of really feel full-blown anxiousness assault. However then I’d additionally attempt a distinct one and really feel tremendous relaxed. And so I found that I needed to sort of watch which strains helps with my anxiousness and didn’t assist with my anxiousness and to sort of analysis in order that I may very well be higher knowledgeable.
Gabe: So my subsequent query is kind of considerably of a controversial one, as a result of it sounds such as you’re self-prescribed, like a physician didn’t prescribe this, it’s sort of a trial and error in your behalf, is that right?
Eileen: Sure. Now, I do comply with pointers of locations just like the Arthritis Society as a result of they’re a wealth of data for individuals like me who’re fascinated about supplying medical hashish. However when you could have a hook up, it’s additionally cheaper.
Gabe: As humorous as that’s, although, do you inform your whole docs that you just’re using hashish as a remedy or do you retain that on the down low?
Eileen: I inform them, as a result of I feel it’s essential to be sincere together with your docs about each facet in your well being. It’s actually essential to take heed to the affected person voice in relation to their wants. And that’s together with their medicines. And marijuana generally is a remedy.
Jackie: So let me ask you this together with telling your docs about this. Earlier than you began utilizing weed for anxiousness. Had been you prescribed remedy for anxiousness and in that case, had been they working?
Eileen: Sure, I’ve tried a few completely different medicines for anxiousness. I did discover that they labored. I used to be on them for a variety of years. Treatment you received’t discover the right drug in one-go often. It’s a variety of medication you must attempt. I attempted three or 4 for my anxiousness and melancholy. I attempted over 18 for my rheumatoid arthritis. And I don’t know what number of strains of marijuana I’ve tried for all the pieces I’m going via. In order that’s what you must study. And what works for one could not work for the opposite.
Jackie: So do you assume that it really works higher to your anxiousness than the prescriptions did?
Eileen: No, I positively don’t assume it really works higher or worse. I feel they work collectively.
Gabe: I actually like what you’re saying there, and I don’t know if I agree or disagree, I’m actually on the fence about numerous these items, which is likely one of the causes that we wished to interview any person who is definitely using hashish and marijuana for remedy as a result of we wished to inform the entire story. However one of many issues that I take into consideration so usually are the people who find themselves self-medicating, the people who find themselves affected by bipolar dysfunction, melancholy, anxiousness, schizophrenia, psychosis, they usually run out, they meet any person on a road nook or in an alley they usually purchase marijuana they usually’re like, oh, look, I’m treating my psychological well being points. And that sounds so extremely scary to me. And I simply wish to ensure that none of our listeners are listening to that that works. What are your ideas on that?
Eileen: Don’t ever, ever do this. I’ve seen how that seems. I find out about good people who find themselves in danger for having detrimental psychoactive results from marijuana and must be careful for that. Like I stated, if it doesn’t be just right for you, it doesn’t be just right for you, however it may work for another person. So it’s actually essential to maintain an open thoughts.
Jackie: So I’ve another query that’s sort of entering into the specifics. There are a boatload of various methods at this level that you could kind of devour marijuana on the planet we reside in at this time. And I’m questioning, have you ever experimented with this by way of efficacy for anxiousness? Is it higher to smoke it or eat it? Is CBD oil the way in which to go? What’s one of the simplest ways to make use of this for anxiousness that you just’ve found for your self?
Eileen: Properly, relying on what you’re experiencing together with your anxiousness, if I simply end one thing and I must chill out from it, I’ll most likely smoke a joint. But when I must go someplace the place I could be experiencing anxiousness and I don’t wish to be excessive, then I’m going to take some CBD oil. However I do know my triggers now. I don’t have the detrimental results that perhaps I had after I first began as a result of I’ve self experimented and likewise I watch how a lot I’m taking and I take usually fairly excellent care of myself general.
Gabe: Eileen, thanks a lot for being right here, the place can people discover you on-line in the event that they wish to study extra about your advocacy since you’re big within the rheumatoid arthritis group?
Eileen: Properly, thanks. They’ll discover me on-line. I’m going by Power Eileen, which I assume has just a little bit to indicate with being a continual. But in addition continual sickness. In order that’s Power Eileen, and Eileen is E I L E E N, they usually can discover me at ChronicEileen.com or Instagram or Fb or Twitter.
Gabe: Properly, we actually admire you being right here. Thanks a lot.
Eileen: No downside. Thanks a lot for having me.
Gabe: I at all times adore it when we now have company on, Jackie.
Jackie: I do love visitor. Eileen is superior. She is a extremely nice advocate on-line. You must comply with her. Every thing that she does,
Gabe: Fan lady.
Jackie: She’s a stunning individual.
Gabe: Properly, Jackie, clearly we picked her for a motive, we all know that she’s an awesome advocate. What did you consider all the pieces that Eileen needed to say?
Jackie: I felt prefer it was actually nice that Eileen talked about that not solely does she use this, we’ll say off label, non-approved, however she additionally makes use of it together with her remedy. This isn’t a alternative for her remedy. It helps together with her remedy and that she’s very sincere together with her docs about her utilization.
Gabe: I like that she really used the phrase leisure at one level as a result of I feel that generally, advocates for marijuana, they’re so closely centered on its medical advantages, which there are medical advantages. There aren’t any permitted for psychological well being causes, however there’s medical advantages permitted for bodily causes, bodily well being causes. There are such a lot of. I like that she was open about the truth that there’s a leisure facet. I feel it’s a extra reasonable and real looking and cheap perspective.
Jackie: Yeah, dude, I imply, generally individuals smoke weed for enjoyable and that’s the one motive why they use it. And for these individuals who do use it for medicinal causes, you possibly can’t lie that generally it’s nonetheless a enjoyable pastime recreationally.
Gabe: One of many issues that I wish to speak about is one thing that I simply I hear continually and that’s individuals saying, nicely, marijuana can’t probably be dangerous for you as a result of it’s all pure. I hear this continually. All pure, all pure. How can one thing all pure be dangerous for you? It drives me insane. And the rationale why is as a result of there’s every kind of all pure issues which might be very, very, very harmful. Strychnine is all pure. Poison ivy is all pure. I don’t assume anyone listening to our present goes to get buck bare and rub poison ivy throughout their physique. As a result of in spite of everything, it’s all pure. How dangerous may or not it’s?
Jackie: You understand, I guess if you happen to instructed individuals to rub poison ivy on them and they might shed pounds, they might do it. Which simply goes to point out that, sure, one thing may very well be pure, however you continue to need to be a sensible individual and you continue to have to make use of widespread sense when utilizing no matter that pure substance is.
Gabe: The factor is, I agree with you. And this simply exhibits the extent of confusion that we now have. I wish to be clear, rubbing poison ivy in your physique is not going to make you shed pounds in any respect in any manner. Interval. Please don’t ship e-mail to the Not Loopy podcast saying that you just did it. I hope that you’re paying consideration if you take heed to this half as a result of it’s very, crucial. Dangerous issues happen in nature, identical to good issues do. The opposite very, crucial half that we wish to remind you of is at all times work together with your physician. At all times.
Jackie: At all times, at all times, at all times. And even if you happen to reside in a state the place that is unlawful proper now, when it feels sort of such as you shouldn’t inform your physician about it, you’ll want to, as a result of they should know this stuff with the intention to give you the suitable remedy. And if there’s part of you that’s fearful about telling your physician, is there part of you that thinks that this methodology of remedy is incorrect? I don’t know. Perhaps that’s one thing value determining in your head if you happen to’re hesitant to inform your physician.
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Jackie: Thanks for listening, everybody.
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