Podcast: Anxiousness and Anger: A One-Two Punch

Do you wrestle with anger? Do you know that a few of our most hot-headed moments are literally rooted in nervousness? In right this moment’s podcast, Jackie overtly shares her personal fuse-blowing second when her husband’s keys have been (gasp!) lacking from the hook, and now she should face being late for remedy and maybe even lie dying on the aspect of the street. How did she deal with this catastrophic state of affairs her thoughts so graciously forewarned her about?

Does this sound acquainted? Be a part of us as we talk about anxiety-driven anger and discover methods to reduce and probably even stop it.

(Transcript Out there Under)


About The Not Loopy Podcast Hosts

Gabe Howard is an award-winning author and speaker who lives with bipolar dysfunction. He’s the creator of the favored guide, Psychological Sickness is an Asshole and different Observations, obtainable from Amazon; signed copies are additionally obtainable immediately from Gabe Howard. To study extra, please go to his web site, gabehoward.com.





Jackie Zimmerman has been within the affected person advocacy recreation for over a decade and has established herself as an authority on persistent sickness, patient-centric healthcare, and affected person neighborhood constructing. She lives with a number of sclerosis, ulcerative colitis, and despair.

Yow will discover her on-line at JackieZimmerman.co, Twitter, Fb, and LinkedIn.



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Announcer: You’re listening to Not Loopy, a Psych Central podcast. And listed below are your hosts, Jackie Zimmerman and Gabe Howard.

Jackie: Hey, everybody, and welcome to this week’s Not Loopy. I’d prefer to introduce my co-host, Gabe, who lives with bipolar dysfunction, and is basically, actually great.

Gabe: I want to introduce my co-host, Jackie, who lives with main despair.

Jackie: And isn’t great. No matter. That’s truly a very nice segue, Gabe, as a result of as you could know, a pair weeks in the past we talked about bipolar anger and I used to be fairly offended that I didn’t get an opportunity to share a few of my experiences, not with bipolar anger, however with anger that’s rooted in nervousness. And so I believed that that will make an excellent episode too, to proceed the anger discuss, I assume, however to redirect it in the direction of nervousness.

Gabe: If you happen to haven’t listened to that episode, it’s best to positively go and test it out and also you don’t need to have bipolar dysfunction to study something from it, as a result of one of many issues that it talks about is how anger is on a spectrum from irritability to rage and every thing in between. I imply, we actually form of delve deep. So it’s a bit asterisk there that we would reference the episode. However, you recognize, we would not we don’t know what we’re doing.

Jackie: We’re winging it each episode; we’re simply winging it.

Gabe: However Jackie, you made an excellent level when the present wrapped up. Jackie and I have been speaking and Jackie stated, you recognize, do you assume we made the purpose that individuals with out bipolar dysfunction will be irrationally offended? And I stated, nicely, I don’t know that we ever mentioned it. After which Jackie defined:

Jackie: Oh, however we are able to, and by we, I imply individuals who stay with nervousness and expertise, these little like blips, I assume, of utterly irrational moments of anger. And the primary cause why I actually wished to speak about this was as a result of I didn’t know this was nervousness till I had a really clear dialog with my therapist. Shout to Kristen, as ordinary, we all know I really like her. As a result of I’d have these moments the place I’d get so offended so quick. And I knew that it was irrational. I knew it didn’t make sense. I knew that I used to be utterly overreacting. However I couldn’t cease. I couldn’t work out what it was and I couldn’t work out why. No matter it was, it was making me so offended. And because it seems, that was my nervousness.

Gabe: Anxiousness is that this far reaching form of emotion. On one hand, nervousness is form of good. I imply, it’s the hairs on the again of your neck that stick up. It’s a warning system and typically it’s good to be nervous. Earlier than I am going on to a stage to offer a speech, I at all times have, you recognize, the butterflies in my abdomen. You realize, I’m just a bit bit nervous. And I form of like that as a result of it exhibits me that I perceive the gravity of what I’m about to do. I’m taking the state of affairs significantly, which makes me extra ready. However an nervousness dysfunction, in fact, is when that nervousness is an excessive amount of and that nervousness has to present itself in one thing, whether or not it’s an nervousness assault or simply in Jackie’s case, what we’re now calling blip rage.

Jackie: Blip rage? I prefer it. Yeah, it’s not a enjoyable factor to expertise. And largely as a result of I do know that when this occurs, it’s virtually at all times directed at my husband. My beautiful husband, Adam, who doesn’t deserve any of this blip rage. However he’s on the receiving finish more often than not as a result of it’s one thing, sorry, Adam, one thing that he’s executed that isn’t an enormous deal, nevertheless it has triggered this little bit of tension that turns into anger. And so then I’m like simply raging at him. And I do know it’s mistaken. After which I really feel dangerous whereas I’m doing it. However you possibly can’t cease. You realize, it’s like once you’re consuming like a jar of Pringles and also you simply can’t cease consuming the entire thing. Or is that

Gabe: Are you actually going to say when you pop, you possibly can’t cease?

Jackie: It’s so applicable.

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Jackie: Properly.

Gabe: Straight up, by no means.

Jackie: Anxiousness. When you pop the nervousness factor, it’s identical to full steam forward.

Gabe: So I feel that individuals listening are like what you simply stated, that your husband did one thing mistaken. So it’s your response to it that’s unrealistic. I feel we’ve form of adopted alongside in that. However simply to form of floor this for us. Are you able to give us an instance of one thing that your husband did mistaken and your disproportionate angered to stated state of affairs?

Jackie: I’ve so many examples, however one thing occurred a few weeks in the past, and nicely, now that I do know that that is nervousness, I’m in a position to like discuss myself down typically the place I’m like, that is simply nervousness. You’re not truly offended. However once I left the home, I’ll inform this story. However once I left, I went by way of what I used to be deep pondering. Proper. Like the place the panic was coming from. After which I used to be in a position to clarify that to Adam later.

Gabe: Okay. However what did Adam do?

Jackie: I’m getting there. OK. So that is what occurred. I used to be leaving for remedy. Truly, that is like the best a part of all of this. I used to be leaving for remedy. Adam was parked behind me. I depart chronically early for every thing as a result of I hate being late as a result of it makes me anxious. So I’m like leaving early. We’re good to go. I do know he’s parked behind me, however that’s positive as a result of his keys are on the hook and I’ll simply transfer his automotive till his keys should not on the hook anymore. And now I begin to panic as a result of I’m gonna be late. I hate being late. You’re unreliable once you’re late. Individuals decide you once you’re late. So I’m like, Adam, the place are your keys? And he goes, Oh, they’re in my pants pocket in your workplace. I am going into my workplace. There’s no fucking pants in my workplace. So there’s no fucking keys in my workplace. So now it went from zero to livid in actually 4 seconds. From couldn’t discover the keys to couldn’t discover the keys to now I’m able to homicide any person. So.

Gabe: I can hear you getting offended as you retell

Jackie: Oh, my God, I’m reliving it.

Gabe: the story.

Jackie: I’m getting, I’m getting simply so anxious.

Gabe: Yeah, I imply, listening to your voice, you began off with, let me clarify this factor that occurred between me and my beloved. After which rapidly, the F phrase got here out. And also you have been identical to 

Jackie: I do know.

Gabe: There’s no keys! The place are my keys? So all of us agree that not with the ability to discover your keys within the grand scheme of issues will not be that huge of a deal. And in addition, you reside in like a twelve hundred sq. foot home. So there’s only a finite place that they might be.

Jackie: Proper. Proper. I do know this. So Adam will get away from bed. He walks 4 steps in a special course and picks up his keys and goes. Right here they’re. Properly, I’m already livid at this level. Proper? As a result of I’m going to be late. I get the keys. I’m truthfully roughly in all probability a complete of 40 seconds later than I had anticipated being. However that is the 40 seconds that’s gonna make the distinction in my day. I used to be not even a block away from the home and I instantly felt responsible and like a dickhead. So I used to be like, all proper, simply what occurred? What simply occurred, self? As a result of that one was like form of a doozy.

Gabe: Grasp on, cling on, Jackie. Let me again you up for a second. If you began doing this self-talk, this form of chain evaluation of what was occurring in your thoughts and what was taking place and why you misplaced your shit on Adam, had the anger subsided? Had been you now again to regular? I’m making an attempt to keep away from utilizing the phrase. Had you calmed down?

Jackie: So I used to be within the automotive driving, and now that is simply nervousness, proper, like coronary heart fee sooner. All the pieces is simply extra intense. I’m not mad anymore. Now I simply have lingering like coronary heart palpitations. I’m nonetheless anxious, like heightened nervousness, however the anger half is slipping away. And that’s once I begin to really feel like I used to be a jerk in that second the place I can really feel it slipping away.

Gabe: The anger has began to subside, so your rational mind is beginning to take over, and that’s once you form of understand that you just acquired offended at Adam for primarily both doing nothing mistaken relying on the way you have a look at it, or doing one thing simply minor. A minor family infraction, you misplaced your shit over. So guilt might be the following feeling that’s about to love type in your mind.

Jackie: Sure, I virtually instantly referred to as him and apologized. I went to remedy and on the drive there, it’s about 20 minutes away. I used to be fascinated with what was truly the nervousness course of. Proper. What was I so anxious about? What was it that I used to be anxious would occur? As you could know, in the event you stay with nervousness, a whole lot of nervousness is rooted in worry. Whether or not we all know it or not, most anger can also be rooted in worry. So it’s not terribly stunning after they current in related methods. And so I used to be making an attempt to consider what was I afraid of. After which I wished to have the ability to clarify this to Adam later, as a result of we’ve gotten previous the purpose of figuring out this anger as nervousness. He is aware of it’s nervousness now, nevertheless it doesn’t make it any higher. It doesn’t make it any simpler to know. And it rattling positive doesn’t make me really feel any much less responsible after it occurs.

Gabe: What do you do with that guilt? So now your anger has calmed down, your rational mind has taken over. You at the moment are again to the Jackie Zimmerman that everyone knows and love. However you’ve acquired this factor in your previous that occurred. So what do you do?

Jackie: I went to how can I clarify this to Adam? How can I assist him perceive irrational nervousness, anger? To not be like, nicely, now you get it, so it doesn’t matter if it occurs, it doesn’t rely anymore. However to me, it felt like if I may get him to know when he sees this taking place, he may not take it personally. Principally, it would simply be like it is a conduct that you’ve that we work by way of. And I may help calm you down in these moments versus being like, determine it out. The keys are on the hook form of factor.

Gabe: One, I’m going to say, as your good friend who’s at all times in your aspect in any combat that you just get into together with your partner. Yeah, yeah, he ought to assist you handle your feelings and study to be a greater partner for an irrationally offended and anxious particular person. I acquired your again. After which I’m going to say, actually? You assume Adam has to assist cease you from being an anxious, irrational, offended particular person? Like Adam has any culpability right here? Why are you involving him on this?

Jackie: Right here’s why. And no, I don’t assume that’s his accountability. However Adam asks recurrently in these moments, how can I assist you? What can I do to make this higher? And these are the moments the place I’m like, nicely, you can put your fucking keys on the hook. That may have made it higher.

Gabe: However that’s not useful.

Jackie: No, it’s not. Proper. So I’m pondering, what can I do to make this beneficial? And that is what I spotted. And I acquired house and I informed Adam this. I do know in that second it appeared like we couldn’t discover your keys. And I left 40 seconds later than I anticipated and I misplaced my shit. However that is truly what was taking place. I’m good. I’m leaving on time. All the pieces’s gonna be nice. After which it’s oh, shit, I’m not leaving on time. So then I’m gonna be in a special site visitors sample after which this site visitors sample is gonna have an accident. And now I’m gonna get in an accident as a result of I’m 10 minutes later than I used to be speculated to be. And so now I’m gonna be on the aspect of the street dying since you didn’t put your fucking keys on the hook. I put my keys on the hook. I shouldn’t be dying on the aspect of the street. This utterly irrational thought sample. It took me a minute to appreciate it, however that’s actually what occurred. I used to be anxious as a result of I left 4 seconds later, I’d be in a special spot on the freeway than I used to be speculated to be. That was gonna be the issue spot and one thing horrible was gonna occur as a result of I didn’t depart once I thought I used to be supposed to depart.

Gabe: You turned a sufferer of catastrophic pondering. It’s the place you performed out the worst attainable state of affairs in your individual thoughts after which responded to it as if it truly occurred. One of many issues that helped me actually early on with catastrophic pondering is it could actually go the opposite approach, proper? You may resolve that, oh my God, Adam saved your life. If you happen to would have left on time, you’ll have gotten run over by a bus. However since you left 40 seconds later, you have been in a special site visitors sample. You have been on the freeway at a totally completely different time. So now that bus, when it modified lanes, your automotive wasn’t there. You might be alive right this moment as a result of Adam didn’t put his keys on the hook. That’s simply as possible as a state of affairs because the one which our brains give us. Besides that those that our brains give us are virtually universally unfavourable. However you recognize what? They each are false, not actuality, didn’t occur. Unfaithful. Utterly and completely made up.

Jackie: No, that’s completely proper. It’s catastrophic to the worst attainable diploma. Proper? Actually 40 seconds distinction. And I’m lifeless on the aspect of the street on this state of affairs, too. Additionally, like I couldn’t attain my telephone. Like, I went actually into it actually far and I got here house and I clarify this to Adam and he checked out me like, to start with, you might be fucking loopy. Like, actually, how did you get there from my keys should not on the hook. And I used to be like, that is what nervousness does to me. Proper? I get anxious about what’s speculated to occur. After which when it’s not taking place, I am going instantly right into a deep, darkish gap.

Gabe: One of many issues that we love about our spouses, in fact, is that they ask us comply with up questions and that they attempt to perceive and I sincerely hope that every one of our listeners have somebody of their life to assist them handle nervousness, psychological sickness, despair, bipolar, schizophrenia, no matter. I do know that many individuals don’t, however in the event you get any person that wishes that can assist you, it’s important to take accountability to coach them. You grow to be their sensei and they’re your psychological sickness ninja.

Jackie: Yeah, one thing like that.

Gabe: Hear. It was a lot cooler in my head, Jackie. However go along with it. Adam was good sufficient to ask and I do know you made the joke. You wished to say, put your fucking keys on the hook, however you didn’t since you need Adam to have the ability to assist. So that you’ve tried to clarify it to him. You’ve defined it to him as a result of the reply makes you look fucking loopy. That’s a very bizarre factor to assume. However what recommendation did you give Adam that can assist you? As a result of I do know that you just didn’t simply say, Oh, Adam, I’m going by way of this loopy nervousness. I’m catastrophizing every thing. And I’m simply, I’m simply nuts. So simply inform me to settle down and I instantly will. That can’t be what you probably did. What did you truly do? What labored?

Jackie: Two issues on this state of affairs. One, I didn’t say that in any respect. I form of want that I had, although, simply to see the look on his face. On this state of affairs, I discovered the phrases to clarify precisely what was taking place. Proper? As a result of I’ve stated to him a number of occasions, Oh, it’s my nervousness. You may inform that I’m anxious. I’m mad proper now, nevertheless it’s simply nervousness. However I actually broke it down into like, it’s not simply nervousness. It’s me, actually catastrophizing and dying on the aspect of the street. That’s why I acquired upset. So I feel in the event you can dig deep down and actually image what your nervousness is telling you and you may verbalize that to any person. I do assume it helps as a result of, one, it places your loopy in entrance of any person else, which feels susceptible, but in addition, I feel, teaches them why it’s so dangerous. It actually exhibits them what’s taking place in your head and helps them hopefully perceive no less than a bit bit.

Gabe: And it’s sincere.

Jackie: Yeah.

Gabe: There’s a freedom in telling any person what occurred and being conscious that it makes you sound ridiculous or insane or loopy or nuts or no matter phrase we wish to use. However you’re admitting that you just have been mistaken. Proper. You have been admitting that what you probably did was mistaken. I’d prefer to assume that you just’re apologizing for it. I don’t wish to put phrases in your mouth there. Jackie.

Jackie: I did apologize quite a few occasions.

Gabe: We’ll be proper again after these messages.

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Jackie: And we’re again speaking about anger brought on by nervousness.

Gabe: All the pieces that we’ve talked about up till now was form of making amends after the actual fact, explaining what occurred after the actual fact. Did you get to a dialog the place you’re like, look, the following time this occurs? It could be useful in the event you may attempt to do X? Like, are you working collectively to attempt to stop this from taking place sooner or later?

Jackie: A bit bit. We’re not nice at it as a result of a lot of the stuff that will make it higher is proactive approaches, not reactive like. Put your fucking keys on the hook.

Gabe: I really like how that is nonetheless Adam’s fault. Proper? 

Jackie: I imply.

Gabe: Why is the proactive strategy not care that the keys weren’t on the hook?

Jackie: Properly, as a result of I’ve to be on time.

Gabe: Proper, it’s important to be on time. However why is the proactive strategy not depart two minutes earlier so that you’ve a in-built 120 seconds to search out Adam’s keys that you just solely want 40 seconds to search out?

Jackie: Properly, as a result of what you could not understand is that on this state of affairs, I’m already leaving no less than 15 minutes sooner than I should be leaving. But when for some cause I don’t depart the door till 10 minutes earlier than I should be leaving, then I’m late. Proper? Once more, these should not rational ideas, Gabe. That is irrational shit. And it’s the surprising, proper? It’s not a lot that Adam’s keys weren’t on the hook, however they have been on the desk. It’s that they weren’t on the hook. After which they weren’t the place you stated they have been. So then it was like, nicely, now they might be anyplace, proper? Then we simply freaked out. And what if we by no means discover them? And I’m caught right here perpetually and I don’t go to remedy after which I’m a catastrophe? That is the way it goes. So.

Gabe: I’m nonetheless going to offer push again, although, that it looks like your resolution to this downside will not be so that you can make adjustments, however for Adam to make adjustments like that may’t be the take away, Jackie.

Jackie: Truthfully, a part of it’s on him as a result of there are occasions when, like we depart the home collectively and I’m like, now we have to depart at midday. Now we have to. Or in any other case I do know in my head I’m going to have a meltdown as a result of we’re late, and he’ll like wait till 11:59 to place his sneakers on. After which I’m already like, we’re gonna be late, proper? So these are moments the place I’m like, hey, you recognize that I get very anxious after we don’t depart on time. So if we may work collectively to actually depart on time, that will be beautiful. Proper? So a few of that is teamwork in that we want to verify issues are the place they’re speculated to be and or we depart after we say we’re going to.

Gabe: All proper. Jackie, however all of that is predicated on the concept your partner, your loved ones members wish to assist. Not all people has that. Some folks stay with their roommates and their roommates should not their mother or dad and doesn’t love them. It’s not their partner, et cetera. And that particular person is like, look, I’m sorry that my keys weren’t there, however that is your downside. That is utterly your downside. I’m not going to stay with a loopy person who does this. What recommendation do you’ve gotten for them? I imply, you’re fortunate you reside with Adam. What are the remainder of us do? All of us don’t stay with Adam.

Jackie: I do know. I’m so fortunate I stay with Adam. The opposite factor that I do, I’m not nice at it, however I can do typically, is I’ve realized methods to speak myself down. Slash, self-soothe, no matter you wish to name it. Generally it is rather foolish issues that really feel silly to say. You are feeling like such an fool once you’re making an attempt to self-soothe. However one of many issues that I realized in remedy was primarily to simply inform your self that you just’re protected and also you’re snug. Simply maintain repeating like in a circle that like, I’m protected, I’m snug, I’m comfortable. A whole lot of these affirmations, if nothing else, it distracts you from the nervousness that’s circling round your head. I nonetheless have a problem the place I really feel like an fool saying these items out loud. So I don’t try this one fairly often. What I do is I form of lean into the nervousness the place I am going, like, what’s the worst case state of affairs right here? After which attempt to work myself again from it. If that is smart.

Gabe: Yeah. What you’re describing is chain evaluation. It’s the place you get your self to the worst attainable state of affairs. And then you definitely return to the second worst attainable state of affairs after which the third and also you simply form of transferring your self all the best way again to the place you at the moment are. And once you put all of these issues, you recognize, in your mind, once you analyze them one by one, you see simply what number of steps are between the place you at the moment are and the place the worst case state of affairs is that makes you are feeling higher. I took the freedom Jackie, of getting on the Web and looking for methods to calm nervousness. And the primary one proper up on the prime was depart early. So that you’ve form of messed that up since you’re leaving early and also you’re nonetheless panicked. I perceive. However I assume I simply need the viewers to know that leaving further time is one thing that works for lots of people. They’re not as anxious about being late. If they simply depart 15 minutes early for every thing as a result of they’ll both get there 15 minutes early. Which case? Hey, use your telephone within the parking zone, cease and get a cup of espresso. Who cares? Or they’ve the 15 minutes to be late due to the aforementioned prepare crash on the freeway, I assume.

Jackie: Yeah. Who put that prepare on the freeway? I don’t know. However, you recognize.

Gabe: It was a horrible concept. Different examples they gave are the affirmations I’m going to be OK, this isn’t a significant setback. This isn’t an enormous deal. Counting to 10 respiration workouts. The one, although, that I like essentially the most and one which I exploit and I didn’t even understand that this was an nervousness method is fidget toys. I carry a bit fidget toy. I purchased it off the Web. I feel it was like six bucks. Hold it in my pocket. And once I’m actually, actually stressed, I pull it out of my pocket and I simply begin enjoying with it excellent there, as a result of specializing in that little fidget toy, transferring it round, spinning the little gears, the buttons, the completely different tactile feels, even the best way it form of clinks collectively. It’s very soothing to me. You may also do that with footage in your telephone. You realize, have a look at footage of your final trip. I do know I tease you as a result of you’ve gotten you and Adam’s wedding ceremony image as your display screen saver in your telephone. However, you recognize, I think about that this helps cut back nervousness.

Jackie: One other factor that I do rather a lot once I’m simply anxious is I meditate, and it actually works nicely for me. However when I’m offended due to my nervousness, I’m not going to meditate. I can’t focus. I acquired to be offended. Proper. So for me, a number of the self-talk, as a result of it redirects the thought course of. This didn’t work within the state of affairs I gave you with the keys on the hook. As a result of in my head, I used to be already late. I wasn’t late. However in my head, it was late. In these different eventualities, once I’m not feeling like I’m going to be late, I’m simply actually anxious as a result of we’re not leaving on time. I give myself moments to actually stroll by way of it and be like, this isn’t so dangerous. You’re gonna be 5 minutes late. It’s gonna be positive. Proper? Speaking myself down. It didn’t work this time as a result of I already felt like I used to be dying on the aspect of the street earlier than I even left the home. However I do work actually exhausting to internalize speaking myself right down to the purpose the place like, that is positive. You realize, that is positive. This isn’t going to be an enormous deal.

Gabe: Jackie, you’ve form of hit on a persistent downside with self-soothing. Oftentimes we begin it too late. We wait till the anger kicks in earlier than we pull out the fidget spinner, earlier than we have a look at the image, earlier than we do the affirmation, earlier than we rely to 10, earlier than we’re conscious of our respiration and follow some form of mindfulness. Now we have to get higher at doing it too early as a result of what could be the bummer? What could be the bummer in the event you’re like, okay, I can’t discover Adam’s keys, I’m going to rely to 10 proper now. You didn’t have to rely to 10. So, I imply, like what? The horror. Oh, my God. You counted to 10 otherwise you informed your self you have been an excellent particular person otherwise you checked out an image in your telephone that made you content? No. How dare you? How dare you’ve gotten an unsolicited, unwarranted second of pleasure? Now we have to offer ourselves permission to make use of coping mechanisms earlier than we have to cope. Proper? They are often preventative. So many individuals wish to whip these items out after the tiger is out of the cage. That’s not what we must always do them.

Jackie: I positively agree, and I feel that in a few of these eventualities the place like I depart early, that’s my try at being proactive when one thing comes up surprising like keys on the hook the place you possibly can’t predict it. That’s once I assume it is advisable to know what works for you, proper? Is it self-soothing through discuss? Is it meditating? Is it counting? Like what’s the reactive factor that’s going to be just right for you? And simply comprehend it, have it in your again pocket. As a result of what actually sucks is being this particular person and apologizing for it all of the fucking time. Proper? Being like I do know that that was shitty. Sorry. Hey, this occurred yesterday. I’m sorry once more. I couldn’t work out easy methods to discuss myself off a cliff, so I yelled at you. That’s not a enjoyable place to be. So it’s a lot better to know what works for you and attempt to keep in mind to make use of it as a result of being a dick will not be enjoyable for anyone.

Gabe: Jackie, all I do know is that for Christmas, birthdays, anniversaries, any present giving vacation that occurs between Gabe and Jackie, I’m providing you with and Adam an additional set of keys to Adam’s automotive. You’re simply gonna be drowning in further keys as a result of truthfully, at this level within the present, if the entire viewers is simply not like, you recognize, I’ve two keys to my automotive, why do they solely have one? I don’t assume they’re paying consideration.

Jackie: He didn’t know the place his spare set was. I’m simply placing it on the market.

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Jackie: See ya.

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